Can This Dog Hunt?

Back in the day, hunters relied on “setting spaniels,” dogs that would quickly and quietly drop to their belly (or “set”) when they found birds. The hunter would cast a net over the birds to trap them (and sometimes the dog, as well). When guns replaced nets in the early 19th century, hunters needed a dog with a more upright pointing style because a crouching setter was much harder to see, and unfortunately, easier to shoot by mistake.  The Irish Setter was such a dog, a breed said to be the most “pointerlike” of all the setters.

Fast forward to the 21st century, and we find that the breed is sometimes painted with a broad brush, and not in a good way. An unkind perception of the Irish Setter can exist among hunters: “The dog that can get lost at the end of a leash,” or, the “Irish airhead.”  Some sportsmen are persuaded that the show world bred the hunting instincts out of what had been a fabulous field dog (and the 1962 Disney movie,”Big Red,” didn’t help). Perhaps this was true of dogs bred without attention to purpose and conformation.  Heritage/preservation breeders, however, are mindful of creating the next generation of a breed that can do the job for which it was created, even if an eventual owner isn’t inclined to, say, hunt. There’s much to be said for a dog that can do the job if called upon.

There are too many dual champion (field and show) and champion-with-a-hunt-test-title status Irish Setters to dismiss the entire breed as “hunting has-beens,” though admittedly,  a split between “show” and “field” dogs may exist which we lament. That said, there seems to be a renewed interest among show exhibitors to see if their dogs have the instinct to hunt, and we’ve been hearing of breeders tapping into dual or field lines with their own show dogs to reestablish “birdie” instincts for hunting.

It’s there in the gene pool, a knack for hunting game birds.  We came across a forum in which a poster had written that Irish Setters have upwards of 50 to 100 times more open breed FDSB (field dog stud book) placements than Llewellins (English Setter) and Gordon Setters combined, and that Irish Setters have more FDSB Championships and placements than all other breeds combined that aren’t English Setters or Pointers.  We have to confirm this, however, and welcome the input of Irish Setter experts.

We came across reference to another type of Irish Setter that is somewhere between a show bred and field bred dog. Often referred to as old hunting stock Irish Setters, these dogs harken to the same early bloodlines as show dogs, and the purebred portion of the pedigrees. Instead of selecting for the show ring, however, breeders bred for good hunters for generations; the result was a reliable hunting dog that is purebred Irish Setter, but wouldn’t fare well in a show ring.  These breeders/owners aren’t typically involved in show or field competition (oftentimes their dogs aren’t suitable for either), but they do their own thing with their dogs which is to hunt.

Can we hear from Irish Setter owners whose dogs have titles at both ends of their name?

Image: “Two Redheads” by Debra Jones is available as fine art, and in home decor and lifestyle items here.

9 thoughts on “Can This Dog Hunt?”

  1. I recently lost my Irish Setter. His registered name was Dual Champion Mythodical’s Notorious Rory Camble SH NA. He had his show championship, field trial championship, a Senior Hunter title, & his Novice Agility title. He was one of the smartest and birdiest dogs I ever owned..

    • We’re so sorry for your loss, Janet. If you can bear it, we’d love to honor him by sharing his photo in the original post as a dog that could do it all. Full credit to you and the photographer (unless it’s you as well). They never live long enough.

      • Just attach it to the email you send next! Love to see it.

          • He was just lovely, Janet. What a good boy.

    • I have trained 5 Dual champions, numerous senior and master hunters. It is all about keeping the point in pointing dogs. Breeders make or brake the talent.

    • Or you could share your favorite pictures from your website, Cassie.

  2. Whether or not they are good in the field, I still consider them one of the most beautiful breeds in the world.

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